Monday, February 27, 2012
Santorum, Kennedy, and Religion
Rick Santorum has recently attacked John Kennedy’s speech to the Houston Ministerial Association on separation of church and state. In some respects, if his interpretation of the speech is correct, he has a point. Santorum maintains that the separation of church and state should not be absolute, that there should be a role for people of faith in the public square, and that government should not be able to impose its views on people of faith. On these three points, he is at least partially correct. Separation of church and state has never been absolute in the United States. Religious arguments have always been made in the public square. “In God We Trust” appears on the coins. (Removing the slogan would be a political non-starter). In the absence of overriding reasons, government should not be able to restrict the actions of people of faith when it violates their free exercise of religion.
I assume that Santorum believes that there are limits on the free exercise of religion. I doubt that he would prevent government from restricting a religion that places human sacrifice at the heart of its liturgy. I do wonder whether he thinks that government should be able to give religious reasons for its actions. Our current system welcomes religious arguments in the public square, but requires that any government action responding to those arguments must be grounded in a fully adequate secular justification.
Finally, the reports of Santorum’s remarks do not discuss his position on the central issue in Kennedy’s speech. Kennedy was responding to the argument that as a Catholic, he would be taking his orders from the Vatican. In response, he took refuge in church and state constitutionalism. I think this was unsatisfactory. As a Catholic and as a President, he was required to act in a moral way as he understood morality so long as he could give a secular justification for his actions. The deeper question was what kind of Catholic he was. Most Catholics take the views of the Pope and the Bishops seriously, but if in conscience they cannot accept the teachings of church leaders, they do not. Kennedy’s speech should have emphasized that as President, he ultimately had to answer to his conscience, not the Pope’s. To put it another way, Kennedy’s speech should have emphasized freedom of conscience, not separation of church and state.
No doubt, Santorum rejects some statements of church leaders which he does not regard as official parts of the Magisterium. Perhaps he accepts all parts of the Magisterium. But I wonder if he believes he is required to accept all parts of the Magisterium regardless of what would otherwise be his personal views. Whatever the religious and moral merits of a position requiring acceptance of the Magisterium no matter what, it is a political cross that is rather heavy to bear. If Santorum believes that there is a strong role for moral conscience against church teachings (as Aquinas did, even if it led to excommunication), he should say so.
cross-posted at religiousleftlaw.com
https://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/mirrorofjustice/2012/02/santorum-kennedy-and-religion.html
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Santorum said yesterday: “To say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes you throw up. What kind of country do we live that says only people of non-faith can come into the public square and make their case?”
Did Kennedy's speech rule out people of faith making their case in the public square? Did Martin Luther King have no influence during the Kennedy presidency or on Kennedy himself?
JFK's famous speech may not be the perfect statement on a Catholic president and what role his (or her) faith should play in executing the duties of office. But I think Santorum is distorting it, and saying it makes him "want to throw up" is crude and undignified and disrespectful of President Kennedy.
Posted by: David Nickol | Feb 27, 2012 10:56:26 AM
David
I said in my post that if Santorums interpretation of the speech is
correct, he has a point, I should have made clear that I doubt his
interpretation is correct though Kennedy did say he believed in
absolute separation of church and state, and it is not quite clear
what he could have meant by that. I agree that it is wildly
improbable and uncharitable to suppose that he meant what Santorum
interprets him to have said.
Posted by: Steve Shiffrin | Feb 27, 2012 11:12:56 AM
Hi Professor Shiffrin,
You are assuming that Senator Santourm comes to this in good faith. I beleive that he does not and that he is only interested in using Catholicism to when it agrees with his ends. You pointed out that people generally ac cept the views of the Pope and Bishops according to their conscience. And this is true of Senator Santorum when it comes to pre-emptive war and torture. He supports both while being in at least contradiction to the non-Magisterial teachings on war and he is defintily in violation of #2297 of the Cathecism on torture with his support of waterboarding.
He is a terrible example of the Catholic faith on these issues as he would restart the Bush torture program and further damage our military and national standing by invading Iran in a war that would be as useless as the war he supported on Iraq.
Posted by: Edward Dougherty | Feb 27, 2012 11:13:32 AM
I'm pretty sure that Santorum would have had no problem with Robert Drinan being kicked out of the public square.
Posted by: sam | Feb 27, 2012 11:28:21 AM
At least Father Drinan spoke out against our illegal bombing of Cambodia and also worked on freedom issues for Soviet Jewish citizens. I'll take him over Senator Santorum as a view of the Catholic faith in the public square any time.
I'd also like to point out that Mr. Santorum didn't appear to have his ashes during the debate last Wednesday night.
Posted by: Edward Dougherty | Feb 27, 2012 11:32:06 AM
"But I wonder if he believes he is required to accept all parts of the Magisterium regardless of what would otherwise be his personal views."
He does not with respect to issues like torture and the murder of Iranian civilian nuclear scientists, which he remarked was "wonderful." Further, the guy essentially took the Mario Cuomo position with respect to public financing of Planned Parenthood's contraception programs and ultimately abortion by saying that he's privately against but voted for it anyway.
In short, Santorum's positions go against Catholic moral theology and compromises the "pro-life" movement as a bunch of useful idiots for the broad culture of death from conception, to the unborn, to the foriegner, to the elderly.
Posted by: CK | Feb 27, 2012 11:39:44 AM
"I'd also like to point out that Mr. Santorum didn't appear to have his ashes during the debate last Wednesday night."
You know they have to wear makeup, right?
Posted by: Mike | Feb 27, 2012 12:28:02 PM
I do, Mike. And I would have asked them not to apply it to the ashes. After all, if Mr. Santorum is so public about his faith, then why did he not ask that? That's the type of thing that he would criticize someone else for, but, our course, he is about such criticism, isn't he?
Posted by: Edward Dougherty | Feb 27, 2012 12:31:00 PM
Doesn't the Catechism say something about not making brutally uncharitable assertions without a whit of evidence? Or is it all just about torture?
Posted by: Mike | Feb 27, 2012 2:00:50 PM
No, it's also about pre-emptive wars against nations that didn't threaten our security, as well.
Mike, I can understand that he may not have made it to church last Wednesday or that the make up person may have brushed them off. However, he has no right positioning himself as a moral superior if he can't even take care of his ashes on one of our most important days of obligation.
Posted by: Edward Dougherty | Feb 27, 2012 2:08:08 PM
"The deeper question was what kind of Catholic he was. Most Catholics take the views of the Pope and the Bishops seriously, but if in conscience they cannot accept the teachings of church leaders, they do not. Kennedy’s speech should have emphasized that as President, he ultimately had to answer to his conscience, not the Pope’s."
Prof. Shiffrin, this comment sounded to me a little like something that I am not sure you mean, so I wanted to seek clarification. Do you mean that a Catholic would only be appropriate as President if his ecclesiology is liberal? If a Catholic believes the teachings of Vatican I and II, and considers the Church's application of Church teaching binding on his conscience according in ways described, for example, by Cardinal Ratzinger (e.g. his "Doctrinal Commentary on the Concluding Formula of the Professio fidei" scroll down to it here http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_1998_professio-fidei_en.html ), does that Catholic fall short of the American standard for the role his faith may play as President? I don't think you are saying that conservative Catholics are not as qualified for American public office as liberal Catholics, but your comment left that open as far as I could tell, so I wanted to raise the question explicitly.
I'm also curious to know whether Governor Cuomo failed to satisfy your "fully adequate secular justification" standard when he took actions against the death penalty because he was a Catholic. If his application of his faith was "fully adequate" because it also had a secular justification then that's fine, but it negates the importance of this entire question, since there aren't any positions that a conservative Catholic like Santorum takes that can't be and aren't justified with a secular reason.
Of course Prof. Beckwith has articulately shown that it begs the questio to declare that only secular arguments count and religious ones don't (and the corrolary that secularists get to decide which arguments are which), since that proposition cannot itself be proven by secular arguments. But the practical dispute here, which is veiled by discussing the question abstractly, is whether and by what authority secular people get to declare that arguments against things such as same-sex "marriage" or even abortion are solely religious, even if they are supported by arguments that are on their face not religious. If secular referees get to unilaterally declare the latter rationales as being "irrational" (e.g. that they violate the rational basis test), the secular-arguments-only-not-religious-ones is nothing but a "because I said so" argument--and if not, it has little practical application. There are no social conservatives advocating positions that have no secular arguments in support, unless their opponents have annointed themselves with the power to declare that they get to strike from the record all of conservatives' reason-based arguments.
Which gets me back to the first point: the "deeper question of what kind of Catholic he was" is the last thing a religiously neutral state can use to judge a candidate for office. Or if it does so, it should not pretend to be religiously neutral. Not surprisingly, President Obama's HHS Mandate imposes this standard by law: if you're a Christian whose view of moral cooperation in evil conforms to that of Sr. Keehan and Commonweal, you are accomodated, and if you do not conform your conscience to theirs and instead oppose facilitation of objectionable practices to a different degree, you are punished; and the government gets to decide that anyone who isn't a house-of-worship-worshipping isn't religious in the first place. That standard is not neutral or secular.
Posted by: Matt Bowman | Feb 27, 2012 2:45:18 PM
Mr. Bowman,
There certainly is a position that Senator Santorum takes that can't be justified with a secular reason. That would be his endorsement of torture through the form of waterboarding, which is internationally recognized as such. The use of this method during the Bush Administration, which Senator Santorum has endorsed and indicated that he would start again. is contrary to the international laws of war and to laws passed by our Congress through treaties signed with other nations.
I realize your question wasn't to me and I am awaiting Professor Shiffrin's response to you but I couldn't let that pass.
Posted by: Edward Dougherty | Feb 27, 2012 2:54:17 PM
I don't agree with waterboarding. But to say it isn't justified with a secular reason simply proves my point--all you are saying is that you don't agree with the position. There is a reason, or else you wouldn't have anything to disagree with at all. In nearly all cases, the secular-reasons-only standard set forth by Prof. Shiffrin against a social conservative means what you take it to mean, that if a liberal disagrees with the conservative's reason it isn't wasn't a reason in the first place, leaving only religious reasons or nothing at all. And if the standard doesn't mean that, it's unclear why it's helpful to bring that standard up at all. But I hope for clarification on this point, and on whether Cardinal Ratzinger, if he was an American layman, would be disqualified as a Presidential candidate based on his views about adherence to Church teaching but the staff of Commonweal would be acceptable.
Posted by: Matt Bowman | Feb 27, 2012 3:07:17 PM
Matt
In the post, I said a Catholic who meets your description has a
political cross to bear. I did not suggest and would not suggest
that such a candidate was legally barred from being a candidate. My
statement was a political assessment not a legal one. As an
additional assessment, I believe a liberal Catholic cannot get the
nomination of the Democratic party for President. Not following the
Catholic church leaders position on abortion would bring grief from
the Bishops, a political liability, and following the Bishops
position in a contest for the Presidential nomination of the
Democratic Party would be political suicide. You mention the
American standard. I do not know what that is.
On the other hand, when I described the need for a fully adequate
secular justification, I believe I was describing existing law. I do
think that the state should not adopt religious justifications
because the state is unqualified to make theological judgments and
would harm religion if it were qualified to do so. It may be that
conservatives and liberals can justify their positions in secular
ways. Fine. I am not concerned here with particular issues. I am
concerned about the relationship between religion and the state.On
Posted by: Steve Shiffrin | Feb 27, 2012 4:26:20 PM
Thank you for that clarification. I think the question of conscience vs. the Vatican is ultimately a moot one too. If someone "believes he is required to accept all parts of the Magisterium regardless of what would otherwise be his personal views," then "his personal views" include this requirement of accepting Church teaching, ergo his conscience is not against the magisterium, he has chosen to make the magisterium part of his conscience over and against his feelings. His feelings are not his complete conscience, especially in this case, because be "believes"--he has made a judgment, which is what conscience is--that the magisterium's teaching trumps his own views where he knows it to do so. But he is the one who made that decision, so it is part of his views too. His conscience (and not the external "Vatican") is still supreme, because he, and no other, enthroned the magisterium in it.
Posted by: Matt Bowman | Feb 28, 2012 9:26:01 AM
War. Torture. Ashes. All of Catholic morality in three words.
Posted by: Mike | Feb 28, 2012 12:37:22 PM
Well, those are three pretty important subject areas of Catholic morality, Mike. And Senator Santorum has failed miserably in at least the war and torture areas.
Posted by: Edward Dougherty | Feb 28, 2012 12:47:37 PM
In order to be part of The Body of Christ, your conscience must be in communion with His Church. Since communion is not a matter of degree, your entire conscience must be formed in communion with The Deposit of Faith.
Posted by: N.D. | Feb 28, 2012 2:06:59 PM
And Senator Santorum's certainly is not when it comes to war and torture.
Posted by: Edward Dougherty | Feb 28, 2012 2:14:39 PM
N.D.
Given the well known statistics of Catholics who do not agree with
many of the Churchs moral teachings, what percentage of Catholics,
do you think should not be receiving communion. Similarly, what
percentage of priests should not be saying mass?
These are not rhetorical questions.
Assuming that the answers are high, could it be that the Holy Spirit
is working through the People of God?
Steve
Posted by: Steve Shiffrin | Feb 28, 2012 2:25:27 PM
Professor, why would The Holy Spirit lead The People of God astray when it is The Holy Spirit Who unites us to Christ?
Posted by: N.D. | Feb 28, 2012 4:51:13 PM
N.D.
I still await answers to my questions. And I was not suggesting that
the Holy Spirit was leading the People of God astray. I was
suggesting that the Holy Spirit was signalling through the People of
God that the leaders of the Church were not in tune with the Holy
Spirit.
Posted by: Steve Shiffrin | Feb 28, 2012 5:20:03 PM
Professor Shiffrin, by People of God, shall I assume you are referring to all members of The Church, including the hierarchy, who assent to The Word of God as He Has revealed Himself to His Church in the trinitarian relationship of Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and The Teaching of The Magisterium?
Posted by: N.D. | Feb 28, 2012 5:29:26 PM
A reading of Blessed John Henry Newman's "Letter to the Duke of Norfolk" would help clarify the distinction between "personal views" and conscience. Newman noted that the public's understanding of what conscience is had greatly deteriorated by his day. I'm afraid that pace of the deterioration has only increased in our day. Also, using Newman's seven notes for determining a true development of doctrine, it's very difficult to see how the Church's teaching against contraception could reverse itself, despite what contemporary western tastes might be demanding.
Posted by: Phil Swain | Mar 1, 2012 2:58:45 PM