Comments on Horwitz (and Sullivan) on religion and politicsTypePad2012-11-07T15:21:43ZRick Garnetthttps://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/mirrorofjustice/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/mirrorofjustice/2012/11/horwitz-and-sullivan-on-religion-and-politics/comments/atom.xml/N.D. commented on 'Horwitz (and Sullivan) on religion and politics'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d834515a9a69e2017ee4dfd24d970d2012-11-08T17:51:19Z2012-11-08T17:51:19ZN.D.Although this article talks about the root causes of violent crime, it also talks about the relationship of the break...<p>Although this article talks about the root causes of violent crime, it also talks about the relationship of the break down of the Family and poverty:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1995/03/bg1026nbsp-the-real-root-causes-of-violent-crime" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1995/03/bg1026nbsp-the-real-root-causes-of-violent-crime</a></p>Rick Garnett commented on 'Horwitz (and Sullivan) on religion and politics'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d834515a9a69e2017c333b91b8970b2012-11-08T16:25:09Z2012-11-08T16:25:09ZRick GarnettDave -- That first sentence is probably true. You'll note that I only pushed back on the unions business, which...<p>Dave -- That first sentence is probably true. You'll note that I only pushed back on the unions business, which is an area where I think partisans exploit and misuse the Church's teachings on labor and associational freedom as a justification for unjust and too-expensive policies.</p>
<p>I am skeptical about the claim that GOP policies in 1992 were actually of the kind that you say Latinos want, and I think (reasonable) voter-ID laws are entirely and obviously justified, but, remember, I *agree* that the GOP (and also many Democrats, but they successfully deflect blame for this) mishandles the immigration issue.</p>Dave Cochran commented on 'Horwitz (and Sullivan) on religion and politics'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d834515a9a69e2017c333b2955970b2012-11-08T15:05:36Z2012-11-08T15:05:36ZDave CochranI think it is safe to say that the priorities articulated by Benedict XVI in Charity in Truth when it...<p>I think it is safe to say that the priorities articulated by Benedict XVI in Charity in Truth when it comes to social and economic life are much closer to the policy preferences of black and Latino Americans, and to a lesser extent Asian Americans, than those currently on offer by today’s GOP. </p>
<p>If you have a young Latino trying to support his family working multiple jobs that don’t pay wages sufficient to put them above the poverty line, in workplaces that prevent any collective action by workers to address wages and working conditions, with no benefits, including healthcare coverage that would protect his family from financial ruin from the mere fact that one of them gets sick, and who lacks a driver’s license because he relies on the bus to get around and so now faces additional barriers to voting, and who is often assumed to be “an illegal” or a “taker” rather than a “maker,” I think it is fair to say, first, Catholic social teaching correctly identifies all of these things as morally problematic, and, second, today’s GOP does not offer him many compelling solutions (other than supporting vouchers which would make it affordable for him to send his kids to a quality Catholic school). </p>
<p>It is these kinds of issues that prevent the GOP from doing better among minority voters, and doing better among them doesn’t require adopting the Democratic platform but maybe going back to mainstream GOP positions circa 1992.</p>Rgarnett@nd.edu commented on 'Horwitz (and Sullivan) on religion and politics'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d834515a9a69e2017ee4de0aed970d2012-11-08T12:19:20Z2012-11-08T12:19:20ZRgarnett@nd.eduDave, I don't think it is reasonable to imagine that the GOP would be well served by simply embracing the...<p>Dave, I don't think it is reasonable to imagine that the GOP would be well served by simply embracing the Democrats' social-welfare approach, or that "union rights", as that term is currently understood on the left is actually consonant with Catholic Social Teaching. </p>Dave Cochran commented on 'Horwitz (and Sullivan) on religion and politics'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d834515a9a69e2017d3d665116970c2012-11-08T05:14:34Z2012-11-08T05:14:34ZDave CochranFortunately, gaining more support from Latinos and African-Americans (Asians too) does not require any change in opposition to abortion, but...<p>Fortunately, gaining more support from Latinos and African-Americans (Asians too) does not require any change in opposition to abortion, but rather on a range of issues—minimum wage, union rights, universal healthcare, immigration, voter ID, Medicaid—that will also move GOP positions closer to the priorities, with allowance for prudential disagreement, articulated by Catholic social teaching. It's a win-win. </p>Paul Horwitz commented on 'Horwitz (and Sullivan) on religion and politics'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d834515a9a69e2017ee4d86dc3970d2012-11-07T19:22:09Z2012-11-07T19:22:09ZPaul HorwitzWho wants to jump through all those hoops? But I will say that my last lengthy comment on that post,...<p>Who wants to jump through all those hoops? But I will say that my last lengthy comment on that post, although it comes from an outsider, really was relevant, I think, to the kinds of conversations that MoJ bloggers seem to be having with each other. Whether it was right or wrong is another matter entirely.</p>Rick Garnett commented on 'Horwitz (and Sullivan) on religion and politics'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d834515a9a69e2017ee4d86abc970d2012-11-07T19:20:34Z2012-11-07T19:20:34ZRick GarnettI forgot to open comments when I initially posted, so readers might want to go to Paul's post to read...<p>I forgot to open comments when I initially posted, so readers might want to go to Paul's post to read some thoughts he had, in the comments to his own post, in response to mine.</p>